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T O P I C R E V I E Wheart cakesme and my loooove interest have venus-chiron aspects to each of ours in synastry, but does it have to be a conjunction?he has venus sextile my chironi have venus opposite his chiron (his chiron is also conj my DC and his moon)thanks!EighthMoonHi Heart Cakes!It doesn't have to be a conjunction. The Magi Society, who coined the "Cinderella Linkages" looks at conjunctions, oppositions, trines, quincunxes, and to some degree sextiles.They do have to be within 3 degrees of eachother though.For more information: http://www.jupitersweb.com/magi_astrology_aspects.htm 8thlalalindaHello and Welcome heart cakes EighthMoonheart cakesooh, thanks!!well, it's a 3.36 degree orb so i'm hoping that is good enough.the other orb is far too big (his venus to my chiron) BUT his mercury and sun/moon midpoint are sextile my chiron! not the same i guess though..thanks!!heart cakeshi guys! i hope this is okay.. i posted on the soul unions forum but this area seems much busier.. here are a bunch of our aspects (and sofar i've only really looked at our personal planets and mostly conjunctions..) it seems like a FANTASTIC list to me but i'm not sure. i've been very naive in the past and this guy just feels SO right.. please help me to know if i should bother letting my heart melt like it is for him!! is it worth it?? here are some of our aspects:his moon trine my sunmy moon sextile his sunhis venus sextile my moonhis moon probably conjunct my dc (not sure the exact time)his sun, merc, venus in my 7th househis chiron exactly on my DCmy vertex exactly on his mars (my jupiter conj more widely)his vertex very likely on my NNhis NN exactly on my sun/moon midpointhis vertex/pluto opposite my chiron (so, his anti-vertex is on my chiron)his psyche conjunct my NNmy eros conjunct his neptuneour junos are one degree apart (and each form many happy seeming aspects to our individual charts, including sextiling my chiron) his chrion is opposite my venus..his isis is exactly conjunct my DC (and his moon) and his osiris is exactly conjunct my moon my isis trines his chiron and sextiles his jupiter but there are no conjunctionsmy osiris however is exactly on my anti-vertex AND exactly conjunct my mercury and mars AND opposite his mars (exactly conjunct my vertex), so me thinks there is some big door opening here in terms of soul recognition.. my ceres exactly trines his moon/my DC and trines his chironhis ceres is on my ASC, within 2 degrees and is exactly on my venus/neptune midpoint (which are conjunct widely)his valentine is one degree off my moon, and mine is sextile his sun..also, my venus trines his jupiter, exacthis venus trines my uranus exacthis uranus conjuncts my asc, etc. there are a lot more but these feel like the most significant, i think..so my question is, is this a lot of good stuff, or is it pretty average do you think?tara19Oppositions and sextiles are not considered cinderella linkages by the magi. http://www.magiastrology.com/mini-book.htm cheers,tara.heart cakesthanks tara!! but do you think because we have SO much chiron energy happening that maybe it is similar in its potency?? it just seems like a lot of chiron activity to me and everything about him feels healing to me. and so so so sweet.tara19Hi Heartcakes It's probably all the 7th house aspects between you, as well as the NN conjunct the sun/moon midpoint. Chiron is important, but it's not the be all and end all that the magi make it out to be. That said, the chiron-venus opposition, if close, can mask itself as a cinderella aspect, but in the end, can mean heartbreak. It's called the impossible dream aspect, as in, you dream about this relationship continually even though it may become impossible to realize. Still, don't be led by synastry. In the end, your relationship is what you make it to be. Astrology is but a blueprint. The magi don't do houses, but as in their stance on the Moon, they're fooling themselves. I love people's personal planets in each other's 7th house. It brings in a natural yin-yang, push-pull chemistry that is important in romantic relationships and even more important in partnerships, as it denotes complementarity. Cheers, Tara.PS. It's pretty good, I'd say. I especially like the exact (if it indeed is) Venus-Jupiter trine. Everybody, including the Magi, loves that aspect between people. It brings in humor, tenderness, joy and loyalty. But be careful of the Venus-Uranus. It can mean fluctuation of emotion. heart cakeshi tara, thank you SO much..yep the venus-jupiter trine is exact; 0.32 degrees.it's really interesting, that venus-chiron opposition (it's actually a 4 degree orb so maybe not SO strong?) because there are so many things happening. his moon is conj his chiron (not sure how close cuz he doesn't konw the exact time), it's on my dc, my venus is on my asc, and there are other conjuntions along my asc/dc axis as well, like my venus/neptune midpoint (they are less than 9 degrees apart on either side anyway), conj my asc, also his isis, saturn and uranus as well.whew! so there is a lot happening there on MY asc/dc line.. have to try to de-jumble it sometime and figure out what it all means!thanks tara tara19Hey heart cakes, Yes, 4 deg is not close. Still, keep an eye on it. I would sort all the aspects you have in three groups: 1) exact or partile2) within three degrees3) within 5 degrees. The last group, especially if it pulls in more than two planets (personal is better than outer), you're good to go. You will feel the effect. Also, check out any grand trines or conjuncted trines between you. Conjuncted trines are stuff like, you have a conjunction, and one of his planets trines that conjunction. The orb of ONE of the aspects between the planets can be all the way up to 5 degrees max. Same goes for the GT. ONE aspect can be 5 degrees, no more. As soon as you get into more than 5, the intensity goes down. Think of it in terms of music and a guitar strings and orb strengths will make more sense. Be well... later...Tara.darkdreamerI`d agree with Tara on the orbs, even though I focus more on the close ones at the moment; it helps to see the "hot spots" of a relationship.Also, if you look into Magi-astrology, don`t forget to check the parallels and contraparallels. If an aspect is repeated in longitude and declination, a so called bi-level-aspect, like Venus conjunct Neptune and Venus parallel Neptune, it`s definitely a "hot spot", and I guess, it makes you feel wider orbed aspects more intensely, if they are bilevel.DDGot Gemini?Wow, the aquarius i'm dating and I have a lot of good parallels supporting our main aspects. I guess this is a good thing. ------------------Virgo AscGemini SunLibra MoonCancer VenusVirgo MarsBucketriderI dont think parallels are much stronger than sextiles. They serve mostly to strengthen longitudinal aspects or aspect patterns in synastry or by transit. I have not seen them be particularly effective on their own (when not involved in a regular aspect like conj, trine, square, etc) in synastry. They do seem to work solidly in natal charts but def not as strong as a conjunction.heart cakeswow thanks everyone! more new things to study!so.. i'm just wondering, are the many conjunctions we share extra potent then? like it seems to me we have an inordinate amount of conjunctions (but i'm not really sure). and if that is true, are they extra-fated? that's how it feels to me..i'm just really really curious because i have been very naive before. this feels SO right (i mean, when we talk. our energies together on so many levels) and it SEEMS like our planets and asteroids are very compatible and i guess i just don't want to get ahead of myself in the feeling amazing department? cuz it feels SO good.. Diandra23Hi Heart Cakes i think your sinastry is very good,but its better if you post the orbs of the conections you have cause the most important ones are the ones that fall from 0-3šorb.Regarding the Magi and the venus-kiron oposition,Tara is right on the way Magi looks at it.But also,theres an exception to that rule:if the 2 persons were born with turbulent tight aspects with Kiron,that seem to fall apart the heartbreak aspect-Will Smith and Jada have that aspect in sinastry and the turbulent in the natals - i also have that with my bf heart cakesokay here come the orbs..!venus trine jupiter 0.36uranus trine venus 0.32moon sextile venus 0.25asc conj uranus 0.41sun sextile saturn 0.06jupiter conj sun 3.34desc conj chiron 1.21chiron trine neptune 0.46sun trine moon not sure the degrees quite, but probably within 5 moon sextile sun 8 degrees - but up to 10 is okay with sun and moon, right?neptune conj uranus 3.29saturn sextile mercury 2.47MC trine chiron 3.28pluto trine moon 1.45we don't know his exact birth time but it PROBABLY puts his moon exactly (1 or 2 degrees off, into my 7th) on my DC and puts his ASC conj my DC as well (with a few degrees). also, his sun, merc, venus, sun/moon midpoint, and chiron all fall into my 7th house! this is really good right?and the asteroids are more interesting to me, and chiron.. i'll post those next, it just might take me a bit.heart cakesdiandra, so do you mean if in our own charts we have challenged chiron, this opposition can sort of somehow release that challenge and bring harmony? am i reading that right??it's soooo interesting cuz chrion is transiting my merc/mars conjunction exact right now and we have MANY chiron aspects. it really does feel super healing..tara19Hi heart cakes, Diandra is right. The Magi say that if there's a Venus-Chiron opp (or square) in the synastry and if both or one of the people involved have a Chiron-Uranus opp or square in their natal charts then somehow that equips the person(s) to weather the kind of push-pull the Venus-Chiron might cause. Maybe 'cos they're used to the push-pull in their personal dynamics... dunno. And yes, they hold up Will Smith and Jada Pinkett as examples. But I think we need to find more of those before we can say anything definite about this.As for the declinations, I disagree about their strength. I think parallels and contraparallels, if close, can be tremendously powerful just by themselves. But they need to be within 35-50 mins for this to happen. Cheers,Tara.libraschoice7 I have a Venus quindecile chiron in synastry with my Scorpio ex...it's a powerful aspect, and hard to walk away from. I've looked all over the internet for quindeciles involving chiron and can't seem to find any real answers?! Does it mean compulsive in trying to heal with love??------------------Sun in LibraMoon in CancerJupiter in CancerVenus in VirgoMars in CancerAscendant in CancerI "FEEL" therefor I amheart cakeshi! okay.. so here are are chiron aspects:i havejupiter square chiron 2nep ses chiron 0 mnn ses chiron 0msn ssq chiron(i don't know anything about minor aspects.. but i guess these are challenging?)he hasmoon conj chiron (not sure degrees)mars ssq chiron 0jupiter sextile chiron 3uranus opposite chiron 2are these enough challenging aspects? (yay i never thought i'd be happy about afflicted chiron!)libraschoice7 I am really starting to put stock into those Magi aspects(cinderella linkages), I didn't before but now I wonder if they are on to something...the only people that I seem to have been romantic with, there is heavy chiron aspects present within the synastry. Especially Venus/Chiron it helps to fall in love easier ------------------Sun in LibraMoon in CancerJupiter in CancerVenus in VirgoMars in CancerAscendant in CancerI "FEEL" therefor I amheart cakesyeah, it definitely makes sense.. so does the challenging aspect meeting challenging synastry = romance as well. because it probably creates a much deeper yearning due to so much personal frustration, that when you realize this other person is yearning to love and heal just as much it is like you hurdle the wounded and you go to the healer much more readily and willingly and determinedly.. right? heart cakeswoops! heart cakeswow ladies (and certainly you gents too)!! we have his birth time within 10 minutes and it puts his DC on my ASC (well, within 6 degrees, but that is really good right??!), his moon on my DC forsure, his MC is *exactly* on my sun and 4 degrees from my merc/mars! oh and it means that we each have venus in eachothers' 7th houses!! (also, his sun, sun/moon mp, merc and chiron are in my 7th, and my neptune and ascendant are in his)and we have one grand trine sofar (i just checked):his moonmy plutomy sunso far so good right?? i have to type out the orbs and stuff about the asteroids later..heart cakesoh here's an interesting almost grand trine..but one of the orbs is 7 degrees.. i wonder though, could it maybe sort of kind of count? it seems significant; the planets involved..my chiron my saturn his neptuneokay and there is one more. does SN count? this one is exact degrees:my snmy uranushis venusand..i wasn't looking at the astroids at all, but since we have juno conjunct juno (1 degree orb), could that count? that conjunction forms a grand trine with his mercury (AND sun/moon midpoint conjunct his mercury exact) and his pluto..?
he has venus sextile my chironi have venus opposite his chiron (his chiron is also conj my DC and his moon)
thanks!
It doesn't have to be a conjunction. The Magi Society, who coined the "Cinderella Linkages" looks at conjunctions, oppositions, trines, quincunxes, and to some degree sextiles.
They do have to be within 3 degrees of eachother though.
For more information: http://www.jupitersweb.com/magi_astrology_aspects.htm
8th
EighthMoon
well, it's a 3.36 degree orb so i'm hoping that is good enough.
the other orb is far too big (his venus to my chiron) BUT his mercury and sun/moon midpoint are sextile my chiron! not the same i guess though..
thanks!!
his moon trine my sunmy moon sextile his sunhis venus sextile my moonhis moon probably conjunct my dc (not sure the exact time)his sun, merc, venus in my 7th househis chiron exactly on my DCmy vertex exactly on his mars (my jupiter conj more widely)his vertex very likely on my NNhis NN exactly on my sun/moon midpointhis vertex/pluto opposite my chiron (so, his anti-vertex is on my chiron)
his psyche conjunct my NNmy eros conjunct his neptune
our junos are one degree apart (and each form many happy seeming aspects to our individual charts, including sextiling my chiron) his chrion is opposite my venus..
his isis is exactly conjunct my DC (and his moon) and his osiris is exactly conjunct my moon my isis trines his chiron and sextiles his jupiter but there are no conjunctionsmy osiris however is exactly on my anti-vertex AND exactly conjunct my mercury and mars AND opposite his mars (exactly conjunct my vertex), so me thinks there is some big door opening here in terms of soul recognition..
my ceres exactly trines his moon/my DC and trines his chironhis ceres is on my ASC, within 2 degrees and is exactly on my venus/neptune midpoint (which are conjunct widely)his valentine is one degree off my moon, and mine is sextile his sun..
also, my venus trines his jupiter, exacthis venus trines my uranus exacthis uranus conjuncts my asc, etc.
there are a lot more but these feel like the most significant, i think..
so my question is, is this a lot of good stuff, or is it pretty average do you think?
cheers,tara.
It's probably all the 7th house aspects between you, as well as the NN conjunct the sun/moon midpoint. Chiron is important, but it's not the be all and end all that the magi make it out to be. That said, the chiron-venus opposition, if close, can mask itself as a cinderella aspect, but in the end, can mean heartbreak. It's called the impossible dream aspect, as in, you dream about this relationship continually even though it may become impossible to realize.
Still, don't be led by synastry. In the end, your relationship is what you make it to be. Astrology is but a blueprint.
The magi don't do houses, but as in their stance on the Moon, they're fooling themselves. I love people's personal planets in each other's 7th house. It brings in a natural yin-yang, push-pull chemistry that is important in romantic relationships and even more important in partnerships, as it denotes complementarity.
Cheers, Tara.PS. It's pretty good, I'd say. I especially like the exact (if it indeed is) Venus-Jupiter trine. Everybody, including the Magi, loves that aspect between people. It brings in humor, tenderness, joy and loyalty. But be careful of the Venus-Uranus. It can mean fluctuation of emotion.
yep the venus-jupiter trine is exact; 0.32 degrees.
it's really interesting, that venus-chiron opposition (it's actually a 4 degree orb so maybe not SO strong?) because there are so many things happening. his moon is conj his chiron (not sure how close cuz he doesn't konw the exact time), it's on my dc, my venus is on my asc, and there are other conjuntions along my asc/dc axis as well, like my venus/neptune midpoint (they are less than 9 degrees apart on either side anyway), conj my asc, also his isis, saturn and uranus as well.
whew! so there is a lot happening there on MY asc/dc line.. have to try to de-jumble it sometime and figure out what it all means!
thanks tara
Yes, 4 deg is not close. Still, keep an eye on it. I would sort all the aspects you have in three groups: 1) exact or partile2) within three degrees3) within 5 degrees.
The last group, especially if it pulls in more than two planets (personal is better than outer), you're good to go. You will feel the effect.
Also, check out any grand trines or conjuncted trines between you. Conjuncted trines are stuff like, you have a conjunction, and one of his planets trines that conjunction. The orb of ONE of the aspects between the planets can be all the way up to 5 degrees max. Same goes for the GT. ONE aspect can be 5 degrees, no more. As soon as you get into more than 5, the intensity goes down. Think of it in terms of music and a guitar strings and orb strengths will make more sense.
Be well... later...Tara.
Also, if you look into Magi-astrology, don`t forget to check the parallels and contraparallels. If an aspect is repeated in longitude and declination, a so called bi-level-aspect, like Venus conjunct Neptune and Venus parallel Neptune, it`s definitely a "hot spot", and I guess, it makes you feel wider orbed aspects more intensely, if they are bilevel.
DD
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so.. i'm just wondering, are the many conjunctions we share extra potent then? like it seems to me we have an inordinate amount of conjunctions (but i'm not really sure). and if that is true, are they extra-fated? that's how it feels to me..
i'm just really really curious because i have been very naive before. this feels SO right (i mean, when we talk. our energies together on so many levels) and it SEEMS like our planets and asteroids are very compatible and i guess i just don't want to get ahead of myself in the feeling amazing department? cuz it feels SO good..
i think your sinastry is very good,but its better if you post the orbs of the conections you have cause the most important ones are the ones that fall from 0-3šorb.Regarding the Magi and the venus-kiron oposition,Tara is right on the way Magi looks at it.But also,theres an exception to that rule:if the 2 persons were born with turbulent tight aspects with Kiron,that seem to fall apart the heartbreak aspect-Will Smith and Jada have that aspect in sinastry and the turbulent in the natals - i also have that with my bf
venus trine jupiter 0.36uranus trine venus 0.32moon sextile venus 0.25asc conj uranus 0.41sun sextile saturn 0.06jupiter conj sun 3.34desc conj chiron 1.21chiron trine neptune 0.46sun trine moon not sure the degrees quite, but probably within 5 moon sextile sun 8 degrees - but up to 10 is okay with sun and moon, right?neptune conj uranus 3.29saturn sextile mercury 2.47MC trine chiron 3.28pluto trine moon 1.45
we don't know his exact birth time but it PROBABLY puts his moon exactly (1 or 2 degrees off, into my 7th) on my DC and puts his ASC conj my DC as well (with a few degrees). also, his sun, merc, venus, sun/moon midpoint, and chiron all fall into my 7th house! this is really good right?
and the asteroids are more interesting to me, and chiron.. i'll post those next, it just might take me a bit.
it's soooo interesting cuz chrion is transiting my merc/mars conjunction exact right now and we have MANY chiron aspects. it really does feel super healing..
Diandra is right. The Magi say that if there's a Venus-Chiron opp (or square) in the synastry and if both or one of the people involved have a Chiron-Uranus opp or square in their natal charts then somehow that equips the person(s) to weather the kind of push-pull the Venus-Chiron might cause. Maybe 'cos they're used to the push-pull in their personal dynamics... dunno.
And yes, they hold up Will Smith and Jada Pinkett as examples. But I think we need to find more of those before we can say anything definite about this.
As for the declinations, I disagree about their strength. I think parallels and contraparallels, if close, can be tremendously powerful just by themselves. But they need to be within 35-50 mins for this to happen.
Cheers,Tara.
------------------Sun in LibraMoon in CancerJupiter in CancerVenus in VirgoMars in CancerAscendant in Cancer
I "FEEL" therefor I am
i have
jupiter square chiron 2nep ses chiron 0 mnn ses chiron 0msn ssq chiron
(i don't know anything about minor aspects.. but i guess these are challenging?)
he has
moon conj chiron (not sure degrees)mars ssq chiron 0jupiter sextile chiron 3uranus opposite chiron 2
are these enough challenging aspects? (yay i never thought i'd be happy about afflicted chiron!)
so does the challenging aspect meeting challenging synastry = romance as well. because it probably creates a much deeper yearning due to so much personal frustration, that when you realize this other person is yearning to love and heal just as much it is like you hurdle the wounded and you go to the healer much more readily and willingly and determinedly.. right?
we have his birth time within 10 minutes and it puts his DC on my ASC (well, within 6 degrees, but that is really good right??!), his moon on my DC forsure, his MC is *exactly* on my sun and 4 degrees from my merc/mars!
oh and it means that we each have venus in eachothers' 7th houses!! (also, his sun, sun/moon mp, merc and chiron are in my 7th, and my neptune and ascendant are in his)
and we have one grand trine sofar (i just checked):
his moonmy plutomy sun
so far so good right?? i have to type out the orbs and stuff about the asteroids later..
but one of the orbs is 7 degrees.. i wonder though, could it maybe sort of kind of count? it seems significant; the planets involved..
my chiron my saturn his neptune
okay and there is one more. does SN count? this one is exact degrees:
my snmy uranushis venus
and..
i wasn't looking at the astroids at all, but since we have juno conjunct juno (1 degree orb), could that count? that conjunction forms a grand trine with his mercury (AND sun/moon midpoint conjunct his mercury exact) and his pluto..?
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